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Exclusive: Ex-Shooter Wayne Lo on Orlando and UCLA

Exclusive: Ex-Shooter Wayne Lo on Orlando and UCLA

In the wake of the largest mass shooting in America that already overshadowed the UCLA campus shooting less than two weeks ago, I reached out to my friend Wayne Lo, an ex-campus shooter turned artist, who’s currently serving time in Norfolk, Massachusetts.

I first met Wayne through Hyena Gallery that represented his art. As an artist, Wayne goes by the pseudonym Skid Lo. In 2014, Wayne made a piece of art and dedicated it to Jason Tobin who played the serial killer in the film I produced originally called Chink but was later re-titled by the distributor as #1 Serial Killer.

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A Taiwanese American immigrant, Wayne attended Simon’s Rock College of Bard and perpetrated a shooting on December 14, 1992 that killed one student and a professor, and wounded four people, before he surrendered to the police. He was also known as a racist and homophobe during his time in college, but his perspective has turned around over the years. He was also suffering from paranoid schizophrenia at the time he committed his crime.

I find Wayne’s perspective to be important and informative as he is one of the few surviving shooters with a clear mind. Most of the shooters were either taken out by the police or committed suicide. Especially after having so much time to reflect on his actions and what drove him to do what he did, Wayne Lo’s perspective is illuminating toward how we could prevent future mass shootings.

Below is the brief interview I got from Wayne as he called me from incarceration.

A: What are your thoughts about the Florida mass shooting and the UCLA campus shooting?

WL: My thoughts are with the victims and family. I can’t imagine what they are going through. Even though I know people who have gone through this, it’s really tough. But that’s what happening in the world.

A: Do you think having stricter gun control will help?

WL: I can’t really talk about anybody else other than my own situation. It can become a very political subject and I don’t want to throw politics into it. Would having more stringent gun control deter someone for a while or possibly make it worse or better? I can’t really say.

Speaking personally, having gun control would have made it different for me. If I hadn’t been able to get a gun so easily, I would not have done what I did. Gun lends more courage to people, if you know what I mean…

A: I seem to recall that it took you a week to get a gun or something?

WL: No, I went to the gun shop the first time and was able to purchase a gun. The process was very easy.

As for the Florida case, I wonder how much time it took for the shooter to purchase his gun. That could be a determining factor. I always thought there would be a waiting period to buy a handgun.

In my case, if I had to wait for a week I would have gone home. In an agitated state, you want to do something imminent. But what if that person calms down?

A: If you hadn’t gotten a gun, would you have taken a knife or drive a car to hurt people?

WL: No, I wouldn’t have taken anything other than a gun to hurt people. I turned 18 a month prior to the incident. I wasn’t able to rent an automobile. But it was legal for me to purchase a rifle.

A: Since you have been in that state of mind, can you talk about any similarity or connection between you and others who killed?

WL: I really wouldn’t know what were their motivations or their state of mind. I can understand how people can get to that point and commit that kind of an act. A weapon lends more courage to someone in that state of mind. And it’s a deadly combination at that point: a weapon and that state of mind.

The first line is you are in that state of mind and you’ve gotten pushed over the edge… but if you don’t have a weapon you really can’t harm anybody.

The second line is you are able to go out and get a weapon and are already pushed past the first line. It’s at that point shit happens.

People have tried to profile shooters based on their age, educational background and ethnicity… but the real connection is the use of a gun. Whether it’s because of terrorism or personal issues, we ended up in the same place because of the weapon. Beyond the weapon, it’s really hard to find similarity.

A: Thanks, Wayne. How’re things going otherwise? Any new art?

WL: Lately, it’s been pretty slow. Just doing time, you know. [laughs…] I lost some inspiration the past winter because I was really holed up inside.

A: How do you find inspiration?

I find inspiration through other people. I’d see something that others did and I thought why I didn’t think of that. And I’m going to riff off that. I like to put my own riff on something.

Check out Wayne’s art at Hyena Gallery. Wayne donates all the proceeds of his art sales to his victim’s father Gregory Gibson and the Galen Gibson fund.

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10 Comments on this Post

  1. mm

    This is an e-mailed I just received from Anne Thalheimer and I feel I should publish this so there is another POV on the piece / matter:

    As a survivor of the massacre at Simon’s Rock in 1992, I am so profoundly dismayed by the tone of Quentin Lee’s piece published on your website, particularly in the language used to soften what happened, and particularly being published now in the wake of Orlando.

    Wayne Lo murdered two people, wounded four more, and the only reason the death toll wasn’t higher was because he couldn’t figure out how to keep the gun from jamming after he attempted to modify it so it would fire faster. We were in the same year at school, and he was creepy, harassing, and threatening throughout; he wasn’t some misunderstood loner. He was aggressive and threatening long before he got a gun.

    He ordered bullets through the mail long before he went out and bought a gun, facts brought out at trial but absent from the article.

    He is as self-serving as he ever was and this article just tries to paint him in a sympathetic, soft light — instead of actually talking about him as what he is: a murderer.

    For shame.

    Anne Thalheimer

    • Vanessa Gagnon

      Thank you for that post Anne. My mother was the first victim of Wayne Lo that night. He walked up to her, looked her in the eyes and shot her point blank in the stomach. I don’t care how much time has passed and how “clear minded” people think he is. He is a murderer! He has ruined countless lives and to glorify anything he says or does is a true injustice to all of his victims and their families. My mother is still suffering every day from her injuries and has endured 20 + major surgeries since this happened to her. The emotional scars are sometimes even worse than the physical scars. To see his face pop up in an article that makes him seem like a normal person makes me sick to my stomach. Wayne Lo is a murderer, not a celebrity.

    • Raymond

      If I may add to Ms Thalheimer’s excellent reply, the article states that Mr. Lo was suffering from paranoid schizophrenia at the time of the murders.

      While this was alleged by the defense at Mr. Lo’s trial, it was not found to be believable by the state, the state’s psychiatrist, or the jury. It simply didn’t square with the testimony of those who knew or were acquainted with Mr. Lo in the months preceding the murders.

      As far as I know, there is no credible evidence to suggest that Mr. Lo is, or ever was, suffering from schizophrenia.

    • I don’t know that there can be a “point of view” here…Anne is accurately pointing out the ways in which you are minimizing and diminishing the atrocity that Lo committed. He is not an ‘ex-shooter’ he is a mass-murderer. What on earth were you trying to do with that insulting euphemism?

  2. Shani Ferguson

    Thanks to Anne Thalheimer for providing the facts sorely lacking from this parole pandering puff piece.

    Even the title is wrong – once you have murdered people with a gun, you are always a shooter, never an ex-shooter.

  3. Craig Sauer

    Ex-Shooter? You should be ashamed of yourself. I guess he hasn’t shot anyone since he was put in jail for SHOOTING people. Call him what he is: a murderer.

  4. V. DuBoise

    Did someone else confess to this shooting? Calling him an”Ex- shooter” is a grave injustice to the family and friends affected by what he did. I’m all for reformation and using whatever proceeds from his art towards the family of the people he killed. But there is no “ex” on who and what he is.

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